Imagen tomada de MorgueFile.comHace unas semanas terminé de leer un libro interesante... e inquietante: "El amor líquido", del sociólogo polaco Zygmunt Bauman, premio Príncipe de Asturias de las Ciencias Sociales, al que ya he hecho alusión en otras ocasiones.
El libro analiza las relaciones humanas de la sociedad occidental, la sociedad líquida le llama él. Una de las características que señala sobre las relaciones sociales y especialmente sobre la concepción de las mismas relaciones de pareja es que efectivamente, están basadas actualmente en este principio comercial: "Si no queda completamente satisfecho, puede devolverlo y le entregamos su dinero".
Si lo aplicamos a las relaciones de pareja, incluso de amistad, podría tornarse en un "si no queda satisfecho, se termina la relación y puede comenzar a buscar otra mejor", este lema frente al tradicional "hasta que la muerte nos separe".
Ciertamente es un análisis para pensar y reflexionar sobre él ya que bombardea la línea de flotación de lo que ha sido el fundamento de las relaciones humanas, valores como la incondicionalidad, el compromiso, el valor del otro... ¿Qué piensan?
Eso depende desde que punto se mire, porque la generación de mis padres a la mujer se le educaba para atender a su marido y ahi se aplicaba lo de «hasta que la muerte nos separe» y se permitía y aguantaba. En mi generación aún había residuos de esa enseñanza, pero somos consciente de que si ya no queda amor, debemos seguir por pena?, aguantar? o rutina? ¿donde esta el límite?
Estimaa Carol: Entiendo lo que comenta. Sin embargo la reflexión que realiza Z. Bauman en su libro, va más bien en la línea de un «usar y tirar», en el sentido de que las relaciones de amistad, de compañerismo y de pareja, son demasiado provisionales y afectadas por aquello de que «si encuentro algo mejor» lo sustituyo.
to stand for before this World Cup began. How they even svveirud to the half without going down (at least) one man is something I understand even less after watching the match a second time.Throughout the tournament they’d certainly been more conservative, more pragmatic–rather like Dunga’s Brazil–but this went from evolving in order to seek success to pissing on the legacy of Michels, Cruyff, et al. It was the sort of display that forces you (or, well, me at least) to re-evaluate the way I view an entire national team, its legacy, and how I’ll view them in the future. I rather suspect I’ll be far less likely to root for the Dutch in neutral matches, at the very least.And as you point out, there’s certainly a depressing angle to the fact that they went so far and still came up empty.Well, thanks again for some of the best WC write-ups out there, and here’s to Torres not being out ‘til January. And to being in Liverpool red whenever he is back fit.
Estupendo artículo Jesús, estos valores tan importantes y que dan estabilidad, equilibrio, base, armonía, apoyo, seguridad a un hogar ya pasan a segunda con la excusa de que se acaba el amor; el amor se hace, se rehace, se cultiva, se fomenta, hace falta para ello valores serios de compromiso, fidelidad, lealtad y sobretodo, Voluntad.
Esto me ha gustado mucho: «Si lo aplicamos a las relaciones de pareja, incluso de amistad, podría tornarse en un “si no queda satisfecho, se termina la relación y puede comenzar a buscar otra mejor”, este lema frente al tradicional “hasta que la muerte nos separe”.»
un saludo,
Por desgracia es una realidad. De cuantos casos de parejas rotas o amistades que ya no interesan, cercanos a nosotros nos enteramos cada poco tiempo?
Creo que la sociedad ha cambiado demasiado rapido en los ultimos decenios y con ella nuestra escala de valores.
That’s a fair point–and I’ll admit that I wasn’t quite so incensed by the play of the Dutch after waitnchg the game live. Perhaps it’s down to seeing it all again through the prism of knowing that those constant fouls–with far too many studs up, late, and/or from behind for it to be the result of overly aggressive but honest play–would lead to nothing in the end that is playing too large a roll in how I’m inclined to view the Dutch squad right now.It wasn’t as though Spain didn’t have a few glorious chances, either, even if they weren’t quite so easy to seperate from the surrounding action that was a football match-like substance as Robben’s. Again, though, point taken that in the light of a Dutch victory I could well be trying to fit the events into some kind of «victory at any costs to overcome the demons of the past &etc.» narrative. If the Euros roll around and they’re once more willing to play flowing football, I suppose I’ll have mostly forgotten the details of this match anyhow (aside, perhaps, from Iniesta’s goal and De Jong’s boot, because damn).Still, I don’t think I could ever really root for a squad that set out in to achieve the Mourinho ideal, even if when convenient I might be able to reflect upon its accomplishments in such a light that I could appreciate it on a purely intellectual level. At this point that would probably include the Netherlands if they chose to stick on this path, even if all future examples weren’t quite as violent as today’s. So perhaps it’s more fair to say I leave today wary of embracing the Dutch down the road, where such hesitations might not have existed in the past.
That’s a fair point–and I’ll admit that I wasn’t quite so incensed by the play of the Dutch after waitnchg the game live. Perhaps it’s down to seeing it all again through the prism of knowing that those constant fouls–with far too many studs up, late, and/or from behind for it to be the result of overly aggressive but honest play–would lead to nothing in the end that is playing too large a roll in how I’m inclined to view the Dutch squad right now.It wasn’t as though Spain didn’t have a few glorious chances, either, even if they weren’t quite so easy to seperate from the surrounding action that was a football match-like substance as Robben’s. Again, though, point taken that in the light of a Dutch victory I could well be trying to fit the events into some kind of «victory at any costs to overcome the demons of the past &etc.» narrative. If the Euros roll around and they’re once more willing to play flowing football, I suppose I’ll have mostly forgotten the details of this match anyhow (aside, perhaps, from Iniesta’s goal and De Jong’s boot, because damn).Still, I don’t think I could ever really root for a squad that set out in to achieve the Mourinho ideal, even if when convenient I might be able to reflect upon its accomplishments in such a light that I could appreciate it on a purely intellectual level. At this point that would probably include the Netherlands if they chose to stick on this path, even if all future examples weren’t quite as violent as today’s. So perhaps it’s more fair to say I leave today wary of embracing the Dutch down the road, where such hesitations might not have existed in the past.
to stand for before this World Cup began. How they even svveirud to the half without going down (at least) one man is something I understand even less after watching the match a second time.Throughout the tournament they’d certainly been more conservative, more pragmatic–rather like Dunga’s Brazil–but this went from evolving in order to seek success to pissing on the legacy of Michels, Cruyff, et al. It was the sort of display that forces you (or, well, me at least) to re-evaluate the way I view an entire national team, its legacy, and how I’ll view them in the future. I rather suspect I’ll be far less likely to root for the Dutch in neutral matches, at the very least.And as you point out, there’s certainly a depressing angle to the fact that they went so far and still came up empty.Well, thanks again for some of the best WC write-ups out there, and here’s to Torres not being out ‘til January. And to being in Liverpool red whenever he is back fit.
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21 comentarios en “Cuando las relaciones se basan en «si no queda satisfecho puede devolverlo y le entregamos su dinero»”
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Estimado Puerto, gracias por tu comentario
Eso depende desde que punto se mire, porque la generación de mis padres a la mujer se le educaba para atender a su marido y ahi se aplicaba lo de «hasta que la muerte nos separe» y se permitía y aguantaba. En mi generación aún había residuos de esa enseñanza, pero somos consciente de que si ya no queda amor, debemos seguir por pena?, aguantar? o rutina? ¿donde esta el límite?
Estimaa Carol: Entiendo lo que comenta. Sin embargo la reflexión que realiza Z. Bauman en su libro, va más bien en la línea de un «usar y tirar», en el sentido de que las relaciones de amistad, de compañerismo y de pareja, son demasiado provisionales y afectadas por aquello de que «si encuentro algo mejor» lo sustituyo.
to stand for before this World Cup began. How they even svveirud to the half without going down (at least) one man is something I understand even less after watching the match a second time.Throughout the tournament they’d certainly been more conservative, more pragmatic–rather like Dunga’s Brazil–but this went from evolving in order to seek success to pissing on the legacy of Michels, Cruyff, et al. It was the sort of display that forces you (or, well, me at least) to re-evaluate the way I view an entire national team, its legacy, and how I’ll view them in the future. I rather suspect I’ll be far less likely to root for the Dutch in neutral matches, at the very least.And as you point out, there’s certainly a depressing angle to the fact that they went so far and still came up empty.Well, thanks again for some of the best WC write-ups out there, and here’s to Torres not being out ‘til January. And to being in Liverpool red whenever he is back fit.
Hola, he leído el artículo, que pena que se haya quedado tan corto, se podría decir mas, me uno al comentario de Mariale o Mariela, el de arriba.ciao.
Estimada Ana: Efectivamente la reflexión da para más, pero bueno, la brevedad es una de las normas de este Blog. Gracias por tu comentario.
Estupendo artículo Jesús, estos valores tan importantes y que dan estabilidad, equilibrio, base, armonía, apoyo, seguridad a un hogar ya pasan a segunda con la excusa de que se acaba el amor; el amor se hace, se rehace, se cultiva, se fomenta, hace falta para ello valores serios de compromiso, fidelidad, lealtad y sobretodo, Voluntad.
Esto me ha gustado mucho: «Si lo aplicamos a las relaciones de pareja, incluso de amistad, podría tornarse en un “si no queda satisfecho, se termina la relación y puede comenzar a buscar otra mejor”, este lema frente al tradicional “hasta que la muerte nos separe”.»
un saludo,
Estimada Mariale: gracias por tu comentario, me alegro que te guste
Por desgracia es una realidad. De cuantos casos de parejas rotas o amistades que ya no interesan, cercanos a nosotros nos enteramos cada poco tiempo?
Creo que la sociedad ha cambiado demasiado rapido en los ultimos decenios y con ella nuestra escala de valores.
Gracias Javier por tus comentarios
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That’s a fair point–and I’ll admit that I wasn’t quite so incensed by the play of the Dutch after waitnchg the game live. Perhaps it’s down to seeing it all again through the prism of knowing that those constant fouls–with far too many studs up, late, and/or from behind for it to be the result of overly aggressive but honest play–would lead to nothing in the end that is playing too large a roll in how I’m inclined to view the Dutch squad right now.It wasn’t as though Spain didn’t have a few glorious chances, either, even if they weren’t quite so easy to seperate from the surrounding action that was a football match-like substance as Robben’s. Again, though, point taken that in the light of a Dutch victory I could well be trying to fit the events into some kind of «victory at any costs to overcome the demons of the past &etc.» narrative. If the Euros roll around and they’re once more willing to play flowing football, I suppose I’ll have mostly forgotten the details of this match anyhow (aside, perhaps, from Iniesta’s goal and De Jong’s boot, because damn).Still, I don’t think I could ever really root for a squad that set out in to achieve the Mourinho ideal, even if when convenient I might be able to reflect upon its accomplishments in such a light that I could appreciate it on a purely intellectual level. At this point that would probably include the Netherlands if they chose to stick on this path, even if all future examples weren’t quite as violent as today’s. So perhaps it’s more fair to say I leave today wary of embracing the Dutch down the road, where such hesitations might not have existed in the past.
That’s a fair point–and I’ll admit that I wasn’t quite so incensed by the play of the Dutch after waitnchg the game live. Perhaps it’s down to seeing it all again through the prism of knowing that those constant fouls–with far too many studs up, late, and/or from behind for it to be the result of overly aggressive but honest play–would lead to nothing in the end that is playing too large a roll in how I’m inclined to view the Dutch squad right now.It wasn’t as though Spain didn’t have a few glorious chances, either, even if they weren’t quite so easy to seperate from the surrounding action that was a football match-like substance as Robben’s. Again, though, point taken that in the light of a Dutch victory I could well be trying to fit the events into some kind of «victory at any costs to overcome the demons of the past &etc.» narrative. If the Euros roll around and they’re once more willing to play flowing football, I suppose I’ll have mostly forgotten the details of this match anyhow (aside, perhaps, from Iniesta’s goal and De Jong’s boot, because damn).Still, I don’t think I could ever really root for a squad that set out in to achieve the Mourinho ideal, even if when convenient I might be able to reflect upon its accomplishments in such a light that I could appreciate it on a purely intellectual level. At this point that would probably include the Netherlands if they chose to stick on this path, even if all future examples weren’t quite as violent as today’s. So perhaps it’s more fair to say I leave today wary of embracing the Dutch down the road, where such hesitations might not have existed in the past.
to stand for before this World Cup began. How they even svveirud to the half without going down (at least) one man is something I understand even less after watching the match a second time.Throughout the tournament they’d certainly been more conservative, more pragmatic–rather like Dunga’s Brazil–but this went from evolving in order to seek success to pissing on the legacy of Michels, Cruyff, et al. It was the sort of display that forces you (or, well, me at least) to re-evaluate the way I view an entire national team, its legacy, and how I’ll view them in the future. I rather suspect I’ll be far less likely to root for the Dutch in neutral matches, at the very least.And as you point out, there’s certainly a depressing angle to the fact that they went so far and still came up empty.Well, thanks again for some of the best WC write-ups out there, and here’s to Torres not being out ‘til January. And to being in Liverpool red whenever he is back fit.